My recent article ''Trans Them All'' is open to everyone

https://morgoth.substack.com/p/trans-them-all

Pleased to announce that tonight I will be interviewing The Distributist on Restoring Order. The show will begin a little later than normal at 9 PM ET.

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I will be speaking with Carl Benjamin tomorrow at 2pm EST: https://youtu.be/a0Kr7HXYylQ

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I am working on upgrading the podcast. Updates won’t be ready for this Tuesday but considering this has been a busy week otherwise what do people want to hear about subject wise?

New substack post, or if you want to wait, video tomrrow morning: https://fiddlersgreene.substack.com/p/the-heart-reset

A really excellent essay by the @Distributist, who has always been (and remains) one of my favourite guys in our community. I would encourage everyone to read this.

In a nut shell: it is too late for old ideologies and too soon for new ideologies; we have to get in touch with raw truth and just accept whatever we find there, because that will be the source of future civilisation.

https://www.tg-me.com/distributist/1373

New video: https://youtu.be/9tlu_npC4ew

Join me tonight for this week's "Sunset Stream" Podcast. https://youtu.be/2GPX9qOiZzw

Live in 20 minutes: https://youtu.be/2GPX9qOiZzw

I am totally back-logged with livestream requests currently.

One absence that surprises me. Not a single pagan has reached out to discuss my essay last month. Maybe I missed the email?

https://fiddlersgreene.substack.com/p/a-letter-to-right-wing-pagans?r=14efw&utm_medium=ios

Going live soon: https://youtu.be/IEU9y1O8RCU

The question is who paid for this?

https://www.tg-me.com/Lovecraftiancat/14806

Gen X never actually speak to each other terms of being a clearly defined generation.

Such self obsession and naval gazing is a trait of Millennials, the “Misunderstood Heroes”.

The fact is the bulk of the discourse around generational theory is yet another Millennial attempt to carve out their own niche identity as separate from others so they can meditate on how special they are and unique their experience is.

Gen X and the Zoomers just got sucked into the vortex of Millennial narcissism and came out the other side stamped with a category- which amounts to “non millennial”.

Thanks to Charlemagne for isolating these responses. I will try to answer these

From David Martel:

“what do I believe?

TLDR:
- Immanent plural divinity
- fate
- reincarnation
- Cthonic afterlife
- Ancestor/King worship
- devotional rites
- collective identity”.

As a response.

This list can be easily divided in two between beliefs shared by Christians (and virtually all other religions) and those that Christian’s have good reason to think are bad ideas.

Beliefs shared by Christians:
- fate (called providence)
- Collective identity
- Devotionals

But let’s go to the other ones to sharpen the disagreement.

Plural divinity - this is hard for Christians. Plural spirits yes. Plus divinity no. Divinity pretty much implies telos. And divided divinity necessitates a chaotic divided telos where one good is forced against another with no possible governing order or hierarchy. In the end this devolves into chaotic “might makes right”. This is also the central problem that led ancient platonists and Aristotleans to become monotheists. I rarely hear pagans talk about this intellectual path which occurred long before Christianity.

Chronic afterlife / reincarnation - I have no idea how one can believe both of these things at the same time. “Cthonic” translates to “infernal” or hell-like, the classic example being the underworld depicted by Homer where even the heroic souls of Achilles and Hercules exist in eternal lifeless torment. Is the idea that reincarnation is a reward that the gods bestow for good action? But even this doesn’t make sense since a plural divinity means the gods are at war with each other constantly putting one will against the other. Which god would have say over a soul’s final judgement? Sounds like one god to rule the others, dangerous thread to pull, that one.

Ancestor worship - this comes up later so I will save my response until then

From Imperium press

“A lot of what I see ITT is people critiquing the paganism in their head rather than the paganism actually practiced by people, and especially not the actual paganism practiced by ancient people.”

To be clear. I am critiquing MODERN paganism. Not ancient paganism. I am not beefing with platonists in this thread, which is an ACTUALLY surviving pagan-like religion.

I know this is hard to imagine, but I do have extensive experience with modern pagans. As a Californian this shit was everywhere such that my first two girlfriends were “pagan”, deeply into shamanism and that whole “women who run with wolves” scene.

You probably don’t mean this kind of paganism. But can we examine their central belief/mistake? Namely that all of their European ancestors, instead of being Christians, were actually behind the scenes secret crystal spirit dragon worshiping feminists. The traditional Christian devotion on display in most primary sources from that period was just a cover up. At the end of the day the vagueness of European folk practices allowed them to superimpose their own preferences on the past.

Silly right? I know. But let’s keep this insight in our gunnysack for later.

“Your critiques of ancestor worship seem to come from an engagement with it in the abstract. Historically, none of the things you describe happened, e.g. "a cacophony of different perspectives each directed against the other" and society being unable to generate new ideas. We're all good empiricists like the scholastics — nihil est in intellectu quod prius non fuerit in sensu — and experience does not bear out any of these critiques.”

I know that IP admits to not having read the post. This makes it clear. In addition to pointing out this problem in abstract in the essay goes even to detail. I even work an example where I take specific German ancestors for Hildegard Von Bingen down to my grandmother and ask if any of them are good subjects for worship. Any honest analysis shows that none are. Furthermore, the better we know the individual in question, the more obviously DIsrepectful ancestor worship is. This telescopic nature of the affair is a big big red flag that something dishonest is afoot.

Which brings us to the next narrative…

From imperial press
“Christianity was not as pervasive as much as people think across European history. The vast majority of your Christian ancestors, if you teleported them to 2022, observed their practice, and had them explain their beliefs, would be what you call "idol worshippers". I give it a few hegemonic centuries from about 1300 on. Then most of our guys' ancestors are probably Protestants.

If you're Italian that's even better. A typical Sunday for your ancestors until like two centuries ago probably looks like this:

- Wake up

- Throw some fuel on the hearth; it needs to be the from right kind of tree because otherwise the domestic spirits won't be happy

- Say "be good for me" to the Monaciello, a house spirit, or else he will make noise and laugh at you

- Hang the chimney hook over the door to ward off bad weather

- Step out the door with the right foot and DEFINITELY NOT THE LEFT because otherwise the land spirits will be pissed

- Go to church, take Mass

- Go argue with the people across the street about which saint to worship

- Meal time — take a black chicken, pass the threshold, slit its throat and pour the blood on the verge, roast chicken, enjoy

- Before retiring to bed, place a broom behind the door because that wards off witches

It's not just that they were superstitious. They believed in supernatural deities, worshipped things that aren't God, and undertook sacrificial rites. If someone came into your church and started doing that today, you wouldn't not call them Christian.”

I am highlighting this comment because it demonstrates how exaggeration trails into absolute absurdity. Of course our ancestors had folk beliefs. They probably believed in faeries and gnomes. But by the end of this narrative we are imaging an entire existence of a 18th century peasant being organized around the worship of gremlins and gnomes with Christian religious practice smuggled in as a footnote.

To say that there is no primary source evidence for this is an epic understatement. Going back a thousand of years we can find examples of peasant armies charging into battle, against horrific odds, shouting the particulars of some Christian creed: from the peasant crusades to the holy land, to the Cathars, to the bohemian Taborrites, to the Scottish Covenanters. Maybe this history is all a lie? Maybe if we were to go back these pedants armies, instead of singing hymns going into battle as attested, we’re actually dedicating themselves to David the gnome? Maybe. Maybe not.

We can smell test this theory by observing actual people from the old world. There are people who still live the old ways like the Amish. But if that’s too particular, we all have a more proximate example in our own grandparents and great grandparents. Many of us knew these people when living, and if you didn’t a little family research will give you a very accurate impression of our ancestors going 3-4 generations back.

So, with this accurate impression, do any of these near ancestors, were they here today, feel like they would be worshiping gnomes, making sacrifices to pagan deities, and professing beliefs that would get them turned out of modern Christian Churches as heretics? Hardly.

My own experience is typical. My grandparents were more devoutly Christian than my parents, my great grandparents more devout than them. I had to advantage of being alive briefly when my great-grandmother was alive and able to express her opinion about how I was raised. That being said what did this peasant from the old world request from my godless parents? That they gnome proof the house? No, she requested that they baptize me.

Just like the example of feminist pagans claiming all our European ancestors secretly worshiped “goddesses” we should be highly highly skeptical of people claiming that our ancestors had certain beliefs when both experience and primary source historical evidence demonstrates the exact opposite. To do otherwise is to super impose our worldview on our ancestors, this is a pet peeve of mine.

From Dave Martel
“Also your practice is nothing like practice of Christians 300 years ago.”

from imperium press
The point is that, whatever they believed, what your ancestors actually did is much closer to what pagans do than what Christians do today.

These are the last two. But also the easiest.

The idea that Christian practice bears no resemblance to Christianity from the 18th century is ridiculous. The liturgy is one of the most tightly controlled and best recorded practices in human history. There have been changes since then, but all those changes are first mostly superficial before 1960, second hotly debated and the subject of constant discourse. There are even Christians of making a point of practicing liturgy exactly as it was in 1700.

But even beyond this assertion, there is so much primary source evidence here. Most of our hymns and sacred music come from hundreds of years ago, entire mass liturgies are set to music. In fact extacly 300 years ago JS Bach was composing his “Mass in B” a liturgy set to music that is considered one of the greatest pieces of classical music. I have celebrated mass using this music, some was used in the mass for my wedding. This is what living culture IS.

And this is also why the assertion that pagans practice what our ancestors did in a wAy Christians can’t. I will re ask the question, what am I missing? Maypoles? Christians are participating in the worship and the sacrament at the center of our ancestors life, that organized every European town and city for the last 1500 years, that built its greatest buildings, that made its greatest art. What is practice pagans have that’s remotely equivalent to this? Genuine question.