Suzie Smith, nurse onboard Sacramento helicopter crash, has died
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The History and Importance of Holding Out
What is “Holding Out” and Why Does it Matter?
I’ve been discussing commercial operations a lot lately and have often said that “holding out” gets too much focus. My own emphasis tends to be on operational control, but holding out deserves its own straightforward post. It’s not that it’s unimportant; understanding it is definitely valuable. I just find that many commercial pilots focus on it too heavily. So here’s a brief, informative look at where the concept comes from and why it still matters. Understanding the “why” behind it is key.
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The Origin of “Holding Out”
The concept of holding out goes back centuries. It’s a common law term that has shaped everything from marriage to commerce. In the 16th and 17th centuries, ferry operators were often franchised by the Crown. These operators were granted monopolies and had to pay a tax to run their services for the public.
The ferries themselves were simple, often just rafts built by landowners to cross rivers, at a time when bridges were expensive and impractical.
If a landowner used the raft privately, no tax applied.
But if they began transporting the public for profit, the Crown imposed a tax.
That’s when “holding out” became important.
What It Looked Like in Practice
Imagine a landowner sitting beside his raft. If he used it to cross himself, his family, or his workers, that was private use – no toll charged. But if he parked it on the bank with the ramp down and someone passing by asked for a ride, and he agreed to carry them for a fee, the Crown considered that a public operation.
Even without a posted sign, he was “holding himself out” as available to the public. The key point: you didn’t need a billboard; visibility or reputation alone was enough.
Small aside: The legal idea of “holding out” is essentially representing yourself as having authority you don’t actually have. A modern example is when people on social media use the tag NAL (Not A Lawyer). Without that disclaimer, they could arguably be seen as holding themselves out as a lawyer.
Modern Application in Aviation
The FAA adopted this old common law principle and applied it to aircraft operations. Just like with ferries, you don’t need an ad or a website. If people know you’re available to provide transportation – especially when you bundle pilot + aircraft – that’s holding out.
That bundling point matters. Back in the 1600s, if you were just a ferry pilot charging an operator for your skill, you weren’t holding out. The operator controlled the transportation service, and they bore the tax or penalties. The same logic applies today: who has operational control is central.
It’s not about how flashy your outreach is – it’s about whether you’ve made yourself known as available to the public for hire.
Why It Still Matters
I hope this helps give a firmer understanding of holding out by showing its history and purpose. I know it helps me personally when I understand the ‘why’ behind things.
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What is “Holding Out” and Why Does it Matter?
I’ve been discussing commercial operations a lot lately and have often said that “holding out” gets too much focus. My own emphasis tends to be on operational control, but holding out deserves its own straightforward post. It’s not that it’s unimportant; understanding it is definitely valuable. I just find that many commercial pilots focus on it too heavily. So here’s a brief, informative look at where the concept comes from and why it still matters. Understanding the “why” behind it is key.
Thanks for reading! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.
The Origin of “Holding Out”
The concept of holding out goes back centuries. It’s a common law term that has shaped everything from marriage to commerce. In the 16th and 17th centuries, ferry operators were often franchised by the Crown. These operators were granted monopolies and had to pay a tax to run their services for the public.
The ferries themselves were simple, often just rafts built by landowners to cross rivers, at a time when bridges were expensive and impractical.
If a landowner used the raft privately, no tax applied.
But if they began transporting the public for profit, the Crown imposed a tax.
That’s when “holding out” became important.
What It Looked Like in Practice
Imagine a landowner sitting beside his raft. If he used it to cross himself, his family, or his workers, that was private use – no toll charged. But if he parked it on the bank with the ramp down and someone passing by asked for a ride, and he agreed to carry them for a fee, the Crown considered that a public operation.
Even without a posted sign, he was “holding himself out” as available to the public. The key point: you didn’t need a billboard; visibility or reputation alone was enough.
Small aside: The legal idea of “holding out” is essentially representing yourself as having authority you don’t actually have. A modern example is when people on social media use the tag NAL (Not A Lawyer). Without that disclaimer, they could arguably be seen as holding themselves out as a lawyer.
Modern Application in Aviation
The FAA adopted this old common law principle and applied it to aircraft operations. Just like with ferries, you don’t need an ad or a website. If people know you’re available to provide transportation – especially when you bundle pilot + aircraft – that’s holding out.
That bundling point matters. Back in the 1600s, if you were just a ferry pilot charging an operator for your skill, you weren’t holding out. The operator controlled the transportation service, and they bore the tax or penalties. The same logic applies today: who has operational control is central.
It’s not about how flashy your outreach is – it’s about whether you’ve made yourself known as available to the public for hire.
Why It Still Matters
I hope this helps give a firmer understanding of holding out by showing its history and purpose. I know it helps me personally when I understand the ‘why’ behind things.
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Finally got my class 3 medical :)
I’m proud to say that at 55 my dream of following in father’s footsteps as a pilot are one major step closer to being achieved.
It’s been a very long 3+ years of working on my medical. Being completely honest with my AME about taking anxiety meds started me down an expensive and long road. Finally after spending a lot on an FAA psychiatrist and their two day long tests, passing with flying colors and then being denied due to an on again off again medication that was approved only a week later, I finally got it.
I’m so happy to report that I can rejoin my local flying club and start again towards my solo and beyond.
Thank you to everyone here and their inspiring stories. More to come!
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I’m proud to say that at 55 my dream of following in father’s footsteps as a pilot are one major step closer to being achieved.
It’s been a very long 3+ years of working on my medical. Being completely honest with my AME about taking anxiety meds started me down an expensive and long road. Finally after spending a lot on an FAA psychiatrist and their two day long tests, passing with flying colors and then being denied due to an on again off again medication that was approved only a week later, I finally got it.
I’m so happy to report that I can rejoin my local flying club and start again towards my solo and beyond.
Thank you to everyone here and their inspiring stories. More to come!
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Why insert airlines?
Million dollar question with most airline interviews. How do I answer this without giving a canned response such as liking the bases they offer or liking their business model?
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Million dollar question with most airline interviews. How do I answer this without giving a canned response such as liking the bases they offer or liking their business model?
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Every frickin' year its the same damn thing!
Time to renew my 2nd class medical. Go to medexpress, log on, and the first thing I have to do, is change my password because I haven't used it in (yeah) a year!
Seriously, what's the point of even having a password if its not valid the next time I need it?
,...or was medexpress only set up with 1st class pilots in mind?
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Time to renew my 2nd class medical. Go to medexpress, log on, and the first thing I have to do, is change my password because I haven't used it in (yeah) a year!
Seriously, what's the point of even having a password if its not valid the next time I need it?
,...or was medexpress only set up with 1st class pilots in mind?
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Are there any cargo airlines that are basically the “regional airlines” of the cargo world (in terms of hirable hours and pay)?
I’d like to stay in the cargo world long-term instead of flying passengers once I hit the minimums. So are there any cargo airlines that basically hire at the same hours and pay similarly to the regionals or you're basically forced to fly pax during that period of your career?
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I’d like to stay in the cargo world long-term instead of flying passengers once I hit the minimums. So are there any cargo airlines that basically hire at the same hours and pay similarly to the regionals or you're basically forced to fly pax during that period of your career?
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How are you supposed to get a 61.55 in a jet requiring 2 pilots to fly?
I was talking to another pilot about this and stumped myself. If the plane requires 2 qualified pilots to fly and a type rating, such as a gulfstream or Falcon, how would you receive instruction and 3 takeoffs and landings in the right seat?
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I was talking to another pilot about this and stumped myself. If the plane requires 2 qualified pilots to fly and a type rating, such as a gulfstream or Falcon, how would you receive instruction and 3 takeoffs and landings in the right seat?
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"Unreadable"
I got my plane back from Annual yesterday and was doing pattern work afterwards because I wanted to do a flight hour before getting out of gliding range of the airport. I did one full flight cycle without issue. But the second time I pulled up to the hold short line and made my call to tower, they replied "unreadable." So I called again, and they reported "I think this is the Sundowner- you have too much noise and are garbled, I cannot hear you." So, I swung around into the runup area to work the issue, but I was a little suspicious, so without changing anything at all, I made a "tower, how do you hear?" call and they came back "loud and clear."
I checked LiveATC today and my first two calls were LC for their receiver. Any ideas what happened here? I did 5 more flight cycles and a trip to the practice area and got on with SoCal TRACON, and there was nary a radio issue with anyone. I'm tempted to rule that there was never a problem with my equipment and stop worrying about it.
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I got my plane back from Annual yesterday and was doing pattern work afterwards because I wanted to do a flight hour before getting out of gliding range of the airport. I did one full flight cycle without issue. But the second time I pulled up to the hold short line and made my call to tower, they replied "unreadable." So I called again, and they reported "I think this is the Sundowner- you have too much noise and are garbled, I cannot hear you." So, I swung around into the runup area to work the issue, but I was a little suspicious, so without changing anything at all, I made a "tower, how do you hear?" call and they came back "loud and clear."
I checked LiveATC today and my first two calls were LC for their receiver. Any ideas what happened here? I did 5 more flight cycles and a trip to the practice area and got on with SoCal TRACON, and there was nary a radio issue with anyone. I'm tempted to rule that there was never a problem with my equipment and stop worrying about it.
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Italian Agusta A129 land in the city of Palermo for a military festival
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United 737 Base Seniority
Hey guys,
Out of curiosity for United on the 737, how long does it take on average currently to hold a line at EWR vs IAD vs SFO vs LAX vs ORD vs GUM?
Is there a large difference? Does one place more than another get you to commutable lines faster or more consistently?
Thanks
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Hey guys,
Out of curiosity for United on the 737, how long does it take on average currently to hold a line at EWR vs IAD vs SFO vs LAX vs ORD vs GUM?
Is there a large difference? Does one place more than another get you to commutable lines faster or more consistently?
Thanks
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ATC needs your help
Hello everyone. Your friends on the other side of the mic need your help. Our legislators have failed to do their job and now ATC is on the verge of missing paychecks. The ATC union has put together a web tool to message your legislators (who don’t miss paychecks when the government shuts down), encouraging them to fund the government. Link is below. Any help is appreciated.
https://www.natca.org/actioncenter/
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Hello everyone. Your friends on the other side of the mic need your help. Our legislators have failed to do their job and now ATC is on the verge of missing paychecks. The ATC union has put together a web tool to message your legislators (who don’t miss paychecks when the government shuts down), encouraging them to fund the government. Link is below. Any help is appreciated.
https://www.natca.org/actioncenter/
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